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I know the confusion within rules for admins and players is still out there. Please do ask whatever you guys feel isn't fully clarified. So here's a thread to discuss such problems

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So I'm last ct on lego jail and I go into the scout tower. The ten Ts that are still alive quickly realize this after I kill a rebelling T, and all of them start shooting into the scout tower. Am I delaying the round by staying in the scout tower and shooting the rebelling Ts (all of which are shooting at me)? I can understand that it's delaying in the sense that they can't easily kill me, but I'm not going to last long with like ten Ts shooting into the scout tower. It would be different if I were just sitting in a vent halfway across the map. This is the first time since I've start playing that I've ever been slain (or seen someone else get slain) for something like this.

 

EDIT: Also, quite a few SAs seem to think that "Last CT can't camp" is a rule. This "rule" ends up covering way more situations than "Last CT can't delay" (like the example I provided).

FROM HERE

 

Correct, you were not delaying for you are clearly actually doing something, if you were just sitting in the scout tower not actually shooting rebels and just trying to camp in there to not be spotted, then I would consider that delaying.

 

I honestly would put delaying as more of a rule that an admin would have to think "Hmm, is this guy actually doing shit or is he trying to win the round?" It's all about the amount of time left on the round, the amount of Ts alive/with guns/where they are. It's just something that I feel an admin should use their judgement whether or not they should leave be or punish.

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Should throw some things in like, freedays are not required, they are gifts. So people can't scream

  • "cell door spamming freeday"

  • "you opened cells before you gave orders. Freeday"

  • " cells didn't open until X, freeday"

 

 

and medic is a gift not required. Way too many people ask to go to medic since they get warning shotted.

 

Also the there are no wardens thing. I guess these things are in !rules, but idk.

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the medic one is in the rule, and i am not sure but i think i did see the freeday can be revoked in the !rules as well

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There has been a small influx of returning players spamming the "sm_stuck" command in order to push other players into appearing that they are rebelling.

 

An example would be ordered "All Ts go inside of big cage. Once inside do not leave big cage.". Once inside, a T will position themselves behind another T near the entrance/exit, spam the command, and push a non-rebelling T outside the cage, making it appear that the non-rebeller is now rebelling.

 

Usually it's obvious who is spamming the command, and I will warn/punish those who abuse it for teamkilling/griefing. Am I correct in this matter, and would this follow under the rule: "No spamming of any kind?"

 

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FROM HERE

 

Correct, you were not delaying for you are clearly actually doing something, if you were just sitting in the scout tower not actually shooting rebels and just trying to camp in there to not be spotted, then I would consider that delaying.

 

I honestly would put delaying as more of a rule that an admin would have to think "Hmm, is this guy actually doing shit or is he trying to win the round?" It's all about the amount of time left on the round, the amount of Ts alive/with guns/where they are. It's just something that I feel an admin should use their judgement whether or not they should leave be or punish.

 

The issue here shouldnt be delaying, but camping as Last CT, which isnt allowed.

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Am I correct in this matter, and would this follow under the rule: "No spamming of any kind?"

 

Well imo it would qualify as spam as it does spam the chat with "unstuck all players" or whatever it says. Regardless you could also consider this teamkilling which is against the rules.

 

 

The issue here shouldnt be delaying, but camping as Last CT, which isnt allowed.

 

Which is why I suggested in the thread cappn made before onion switched discussion over here, we should put the rule as "Last CT can not delay or camp." Covers all situations and is already basically the rule.

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The issue here shouldnt be delaying, but camping as Last CT, which isnt allowed.

 

There is no rule that says that the last CT can't camp. The current MOTD and its previous iterations have all had the line, "CTs can camp if it helps their team, but the last CT cannot not delay the round." Would you expect me to just run out of the scout tower and get instakilled?

 

Which is why I suggested in the thread cappn made before onion switched discussion over here, we should put the rule as "Last CT can not delay or camp." Covers all situations and is already basically the rule.

 

Except that would make the scout tower situation and cappn's example violate the rules, even when you said yourself that I shouldn't have been slain. There is no reason to add "Last CT can't camp" to the rules. If a last CT is camping but not delaying, like in the scout tower situation, they shouldn't be slayed. If the CT is just sitting in some random vent, then he/she are delaying and can be slain.

 

I honestly would put delaying as more of a rule that an admin would have to think "Hmm, is this guy actually doing shit or is he trying to win the round?" It's all about the amount of time left on the round, the amount of Ts alive/with guns/where they are. It's just something that I feel an admin should use their judgement whether or not they should leave be or punish.

 

I agree. Just saying "Last CT can't camp" and slaying is both lazy and illegitimate.

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There is no rule that says that the last CT can't camp. The current MOTD and its previous iterations have all had the line, "CTs can camp if it helps their team, but the last CT cannot not delay the round." Would you expect me to just run out of the scout tower and get instakilled?

 

 

 

Except that would make the scout tower situation and cappn's example violate the rules, even when you said yourself that I shouldn't have been slain. There is no reason to add "Last CT can't camp" to the rules. If a last CT is camping but not delaying, like in the scout tower situation, they shouldn't be slayed. If the CT is just sitting in some random vent, then he/she are delaying and can be slain.

 

 

 

I agree. Just saying "Last CT can't camp" and slaying is both lazy and illegitimate.

 

 

1. We already know that rule. It's no delaying, not camping. Also this depends on the Admon.

 

2. I agree with you with this.

 

3. yes

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There is no rule that says that the last CT can't camp. The current MOTD and its previous iterations have all had the line, "CTs can camp if it helps their team, but the last CT cannot not delay the round." Would you expect me to just run out of the scout tower and get instakilled?

 

 

 

Except that would make the scout tower situation and cappn's example violate the rules, even when you said yourself that I shouldn't have been slain. There is no reason to add "Last CT can't camp" to the rules. If a last CT is camping but not delaying, like in the scout tower situation, they shouldn't be slayed. If the CT is just sitting in some random vent, then he/she are delaying and can be slain.

 

 

 

I agree. Just saying "Last CT can't camp" and slaying is both lazy and illegitimate.

 

I guess I just have a slightly different perspective on camping as last CT. As long as you are still enforcing the rules actively, I don't see it as camping. I know literally it is but still. And I'd even argue with you that scout tower is hardly camping as you have a clear view of the main part of the map. Compared to say when you're in soccer and that's all you can see. From scout tower you still have a view on the main cell area and most doors.

 

Perhaps it is better to simply state it as "can not delay" and let admins use their own discretion as what is and is not delaying. I myself wouldn't have slayed in the scenario given and I still stand by my statement that whatever admin did shouldn't have either, as long as you were actively enforcing the rules.

 

Edit: and again in regards to "there is no last CT can't camp rule" it's not in the motd but it is in the rules plug in if you type!rules

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remove afk freeze and ill play on the server again.

 

Now that you mention it that's been a rising problem. Seen more and more people claiming that's it's against the rules but AFAIK it's not. I would classify it as an unreasonable order for anything longer than 10-20 seconds. Iirc the afk manager is what, 30 seconds?

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remove afk freeze and ill play on the server again.

 

This isn't a terrorist negotiation to get you on the server, so why don't you explain to us all why you think this way and how its actually made PB un-enjoyable for you.

 

I can't imagine it comes up that often, and its essentially the same as regular freeze from what I've seen in most of the threads.

 

Not playing over a single rule that I honestly don't see get enforced that much seems absurd, just looking for some clarification...

 

EDIT: So literally the problem is the AFK manager? You move your screen like a fucking cm and it stops the AFK manager...

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There's nothing wrong with afk freeze. If things are getting too crazy and you need them to stop moving, you give those orders. Plus 99.9% of the time you're allowed to freelook.

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Need to put in that we do not do war days and how there is no warden, that anyone can be lead CT even after the original lead has been killed.

 

Maybe add in that to give warning shots you shoot T's in the leg with either a secondary or a primary that isn't an awp. (1 to 2 shots nothing to crazy)

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Need to put in that we do not do war days and how there is no warden, that anyone can be lead CT even after the original lead has been killed.

 

Isn't that already covered in the rules plug in?

 

 

And back to the afk freeze thing, @Lupin if you are allowed to free look, that's not afk freeze. Afk freeze is not moving the mouse and not moving at all. I've seen it a handful of times where a CT will shoot a T for moving mouse after ordering afk freeze but not enough to warrant it's own rule (yet) or to stop someone from playing. Usually it's only ordered at the start of the round "all Ts take one step out face the back of your cell and afk freeze" (which is funny because 90% of CTs giving that order don't realize the whole point of doing that is to weapon check but that's irrelevant). It's almost never given mid round and again I'd say let admin use discretion on if it's reasonable meaning CTs can't order afk freeze for too long.

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Edit: and again in regards to "there is no last CT can't camp rule" it's not in the motd but it is in the rules plug in if you type!rules

 

Just checked, didn't see anything about last CT camping

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Just checked, didn't see anything about last CT camping

 

hmmmm, 90% sure it's written somewhere that last CT can't camp, at least it was at some point. Thought it was in rules plug in, maybe the !faq ?. Regardless I'd prefer it just be said as "last CT can not delay" then let admin discretion on if they are delaying.

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This isn't a terrorist negotiation to get you on the server, so why don't you explain to us all why you think this way and how its actually made PB un-enjoyable for you.

 

I can't imagine it comes up that often, and its essentially the same as regular freeze from what I've seen in most of the threads.

 

Not playing over a single rule that I honestly don't see get enforced that much seems absurd, just looking for some clarification...

 

EDIT: So literally the problem is the AFK manager? You move your screen like a fucking cm and it stops the AFK manager...

 

i dont play as ct or t because afk freeze makes the gameplay WAY to slow and dry for my taste. and ive seen SO many t's get domed for "moving your screen a fucking cm" because they fucking moved their screen a fucking cm. i dont like afk freeze, i never have, and never will. its a dumb command and if ct's NEED this command then they obviously have no skill and cant control their prisoners.

 

i play JB almost everyday, but not on SG, and the server i play on has placed afk freeze as an invalid order and it makes the rp experience much more enjoyable. simply saying freeze or wasd freeze at least gives you the ability to do SOMETHING (jump/crouch/knife) while waiting for orders.

 

AND IN A REAL PRISON DO YOU THINK GUARDS TELL PRISONERS TO AFK FREEZE??? LIKE SERIOUSLY WTF, ITS ONE OF THE DUMBEST COMMANDS I HAVE EVER HEARD, EVER.

 

EDIT: it was only a suggestion/opinion dont bite my fucking head off you nurds

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i dont play as ct or t because afk freeze makes the gameplay WAY to slow and dry for my taste. and ive seen SO many t's get domed for "moving your screen a fucking cm" because they fucking moved their screen a fucking cm. i dont like afk freeze, i never have, and never will. its a dumb command and if ct's NEED this command then they obviously have no skill and cant control their prisoners.

 

i play JB almost everyday, but not on SG, and the server i play on has placed afk freeze as an invalid order and it makes the rp experience much more enjoyable. simply saying freeze or wasd freeze at least gives you the ability to do SOMETHING (jump/crouch/knife) while waiting for orders.

 

AND IN A REAL PRISON DO YOU THINK GUARDS TELL PRISONERS TO AFK FREEZE??? LIKE SERIOUSLY WTF, ITS ONE OF THE DUMBEST COMMANDS I HAVE EVER HEARD, EVER.

one command that happens like twice at the most every round prevents you from playing on our server?

 

lol?

 

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i dont play on ANY jb server that has afk freeze

 

Really think you're over exaggerating the problem. Afk freeze is ordered at most when cells are first opened and another order is usually given 10-15 seconds later. I'd honestly say AFK isn't even ordered every round at the start, maybe every 3/5 max if even. And you might get an afk freeze order mid round once every 15 rounds give or take. It's not that common of an occurrence to affect the game play.

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AND IN A REAL PRISON DO YOU THINK GUARDS TELL PRISONERS TO AFK FREEZE??? LIKE SERIOUSLY WTF, ITS ONE OF THE DUMBEST COMMANDS I HAVE EVER HEARD, EVER.

 

AND IN A REAL PRISON, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN HAVE A FUCKING POOL, STAY OUTSIDE YOUR CELL ALL DAY OR ABLE TO CAUSE CHAOS WITHOUT PUTTING YOU IN A SINGLE CELL?

 

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what? my original post on said "remove afk freeze and i would play again", then people ask for reasons why i dont like it and now im getting shit for explaining? WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?!?!?!?!

 

keep your afk freeze i havent playing on SG JB in years, its not a protest it never was. "i dont play ANY jb servers that has afk freeze" that is just my personal preference.

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