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Can we just stop with the confusing orders. It’s quiet obvious that people are saying them to make confusion. I haven’t played in months but I know this was a problem then and telling by the JB threads being posted, it’s still a problem. JB used to be easy to play and easy to start playing because people gave reasonable orders, now it seems the opposite. From when I played, new players would join then some would leave after 3 rounds because of the unreasonable orders and just dying because they don’t understand something. I feel like if JB community could just make reasonable orders and orders that people can understand, JB could be fun as hell like it used to for me and other players.

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Would you mind making a list of rules you feel are detrimental to the JB experience so we can discuss them? Without it there isn't anything to discuss. This is based off the thread title btw - your post mentions confusing orders but the thread title mentions rules.

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Would you mind making a list of rules you feel are detrimental to the JB experience so we can discuss them? Without it there isn't anything to discuss. This is based off the thread title btw - your post mentions confusing orders but the thread title mentions rules.

 

I should have meant orders, unreasonable orders like take a step out of your cell face north crouch and freeze and read the communist manifesto. I know no one would say that, but I hope you get what I mean. Orders that are meant to confuse people. In some instances I’d say it’s fine to try and make it confusing like Simon says because the whole point is to confuse people, but at least make it possible and reasonable. There are really no rules I have a problem with, it’s just mainly the orders. At the end of the day you play on the server to have fun, confusing rules aren’t fun. I’m just saying to make orders that people can do, don’t skirt around rules, etc. just play JB like it’s intended instead of making shit confusing so you have have an advantage and find a loop hole in the rules.

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Give him a break bro he's literally missing a portion of his brain.

 

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I should have meant orders, unreasonable orders like take a step out of your cell face north crouch and freeze and read the communist manifesto. I know no one would say that, but I hope you get what I mean. Orders that are meant to confuse people. In some instances I’d say it’s fine to try and make it confusing like Simon says because the whole point is to confuse people, but at least make it possible and reasonable. There are really no rules I have a problem with, it’s just mainly the orders. At the end of the day you play on the server to have fun, confusing rules aren’t fun. I’m just saying to make orders that people can do, don’t skirt around rules, etc. just play JB like it’s intended instead of making shit confusing so you have have an advantage and find a loop hole in the rules.

 

I fully agree with you, and the cardinal order example you gave is now not allowed. At this point, we just need admin enforcement in-game.

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I fully agree with you, and the cardinal order example you gave is now not allowed. At this point, we just need admin enforcement in-game.

 

While I do agree with you, we also need the regulars to help enforce as well. Whenever there isn't an admin around, JB needs those who know the rules and are active to tell other people (especially the newer players) what is and isn't allowed. The more information being spread will help tremendously.

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While I do agree with you, we also need the regulars to help enforce as well. Whenever there isn't an admin around, JB needs those who know the rules and are active to tell other people (especially the newer players) what is and isn't allowed. The more information being spread will help tremendously.

 

"Take a step out face south and freeze"

 

"Hey man, those types of orders aren't allowed on our servers"

 

"Kill yourself" *Followed by ape noises and screams*

 

 

 

 

It really comes down to admins imo. Yeah regulars can help, but an admin is the voice of authority, in the sense that their word is final.

Edited by TheZZL

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"Take a step out face south and freeze"

 

"Hey man, those types of orders aren't allowed on our servers"

 

"Kill yourself" *Followed by ape noises and screams*

 

That’s accurate

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I should have meant orders, unreasonable orders like take a step out of your cell face north crouch and freeze and read the communist manifesto. I know no one would say that, but I hope you get what I mean. Orders that are meant to confuse people. In some instances I’d say it’s fine to try and make it confusing like Simon says because the whole point is to confuse people, but at least make it possible and reasonable. There are really no rules I have a problem with, it’s just mainly the orders. At the end of the day you play on the server to have fun, confusing rules aren’t fun. I’m just saying to make orders that people can do, don’t skirt around rules, etc. just play JB like it’s intended instead of making shit confusing so you have have an advantage and find a loop hole in the rules.

 

You’re making this way more complicated than it needs to be. You said it yourself, it’s a confusing order and it’s not straight to the point. Wouldn’t this mean that it’s an unreasonable order, which is against the rules?

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You’re making this way more complicated than it needs to be. You said it yourself, it’s a confusing order and it’s not straight to the point. Wouldn’t this mean that it’s an unreasonable order, which is against the rules?

 

It just seems to be so common that people do it constantly to where everyone gives vague orders and ends up confusing everyone and it’s been so drilled into people’s minds to do this that there’s really no current way to stop it without policing it

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Or they do just enough to the point where it’s not breaking the rules and people just skirt around them. What I’m trying to say in this thread is that I think people should just stop trying to find loop holes and play the fucking game (since it makes admins’ lives harder and players as well with them skirting around the rules)

 

Just play the game without trying to find a loop hole and it ends up changing the rules and eventually the game mode gets super confusing

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Can we just ban the usage of special rules during a last request as a whole. It gives an unfair advantage to the counter-terrorist your going against. Rules like come to pool and do it or you can do the regular Last Request but don’t hide behind stuff are fair and simple rules. But like freeze give me every shot is uncanny and they could give you a pardon after. It’s basically a free and easy kill. Giving rules like scream is also breaking rules if someone says it in first order. Can we please ban the usage so we can make this fun for the newbies and the community as a whole?

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But like freeze give me every shot is uncanny and they could give you a pardon after. It’s basically a free and easy kill. Giving rules like scream is also breaking rules if someone says it in first order.

 

Both of these orders are unreasonable and are against the rules

 

The unreasonable LR was kinda discussed here https://www.steam-gamers.net/forum/showthread.php?t=94521.

 

That’d be unreasonable but it’s up to the CT if they accept it or not. IMO what counts as unreasonable is if it provides either side with a noticeable disadvantage or strays away from the roots of that specific LR.

 

Also if the scream order is given in FO, one it’s telling the Ts to micspam and two they can’t talk for 30-60 seconds after the order is given and if that’s the only order given then it’s indirectly giving them a free day in FO, the only order was to scream which lets the T do whatever they want

^Indirect freedays in FO also discussed here https://www.steam-gamers.net/forum/showthread.php?t=94554

Edited by Mikey.

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The easiest way to counter confusing orders is to require CTs to repeat their order once they have given a warning shot; it gives the Ts who didn't hear/understand the order a chance to get their shit straight and the punished T a chance to live. It's become a bit more common for CTs to give some dumbass 5 step order, then shoot the Ts dead who didn't follow it to the dot.

 

I've seen too many times Ts get shanked for 90 damage, because they didn't listen to a certain part of the order. A simple "you should be staring at the ceiling" thrown somewhere in the mix could help a lot.

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Can we just ban the usage of special rules during a last request as a whole. It gives an unfair advantage to the counter-terrorist your going against. Rules like come to pool and do it or you can do the regular Last Request but don’t hide behind stuff are fair and simple rules. But like freeze give me every shot is uncanny and they could give you a pardon after. It’s basically a free and easy kill. Giving rules like scream is also breaking rules if someone says it in first order. Can we please ban the usage so we can make this fun for the newbies and the community as a whole?

 

The solution to this, don't accept the Ts' LR. If the T doesn't give rules to their LR before it's accepted, you don't have to listen to any rules given after it's accepted and you can do the LR like usual.

 

 

A simple "you should be staring at the ceiling" thrown somewhere in the mix could help a lot.

 

Right, and thankfully some CT's do that. It is still the Ts' responsibility to listen to the order, or maybe even look around them and copy their T buddies' actions.

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Not everyone takes notes in JB, ZZL. I can guarantee that there are many instances every day where a kid is distracted by family, steam messages or many other factors and doesn't catch the order and is promptly killed because he crouched after getting warning shot, but didn't stare at the floor.

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Not everyone takes notes in JB, ZZL. I can guarantee that there are many instances every day where a kid is distracted by family, steam messages or many other factors and doesn't catch the order and is promptly killed because he crouched after getting warning shot, but didn't stare at the floor.

 

or maybe even look around them and copy their T buddies' actions.

 

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Yeah, getting CT's to repeat every order after dealing a warning shot would be nice, but I don't think the AT's want to keep restricting the CTs with things like that.

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Look around and get killed for not following the order of looking at the ground? Do we play on the same server filled with kill hungry CTs? I'm proposing a counter to outright removing 'confusing orders' which at this point is an order of more than 2 things to do; once a warning shot is given, I'm proposing that the CT must tell the T what he is doing wrong and not just the bullshit 'he didn't follow the order, I don't have to repeat myself" narrative going on at the moment.

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Yeah, getting CT's to repeat every order after dealing a warning shot would be nice, but I don't think the AT's want to keep restricting the CTs with things like that.

 

It's not that much of a restriction. They would just be restricting people who are trying to confuse people with stupid orders.

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I think following up a warning shot with a restatement of what part of the order they are doing wrong should be standard. This isnt really restricting CTs in anyway, they are shooting at people who are trying to follow orders anyway and taking two seconds to clarify the order isnt taking anything away from the CTs. IF the majority of the Ts are doign the order wrong then clearly something was missed, so instead of shooting everyone doing the order wrong, you shoot one and restate. This helps the rest of the Ts understand the real order and adjust.

 

Also, if a T is doing an order wrong they, more likely then not, simply didnt hear the proper order, so a warning shot with no follow up of what they should be doing doesnt tell them what they should be doing

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I see what you are saying error, the confusing orders can kind of be like chat orders. No one understands why they are being shot, but I think if you just pay a little more attention to orders there should be no problems with "confusing orders".

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I see what you are saying error, the confusing orders can kind of be like chat orders. No one understands why they are being shot, but I think if you just pay a little more attention to orders there should be no problems with "confusing orders".

 

But with JB there are instances that you are paying attention but the CT will mumble or just not speak clearly and some ppl don't understand the order whether they were paying attention or not. Most CTs will confuse Ts just so they can get warning shots in and possibly kills. If a T is confused and not knowing the order the CT will warning shot there and sit there for 3 seconds just to kill that T. Just trying to pay a little more attention, if im being honest, isn't going to be a top priority if we are trying to enforce rules or help new players

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But with JB there are instances that you are paying attention but the CT will mumble or just not speak clearly and some ppl don't understand the order whether they were paying attention or not. Most CTs will confuse Ts just so they can get warning shots in and possibly kills. If a T is confused and not knowing the order the CT will warning shot there and sit there for 3 seconds just to kill that T. Just trying to pay a little more attention, if im being honest, isn't going to be a top priority if we are trying to enforce rules or help new players

 

I understand, but I feel like there isn't really a rule that we can have that will stop all confusing orders and bad communication with the CTs.

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I'm a old time player of JB and have been gone quite some time, I came on today and played and you're right, the orders have gone way too confusing with people, it used to be like "T's step out of cell, face back of cell and freeze" now we will be getting orders, "all T's step out 1 step, crouch, face back of cell, then look down knife the floor continuous" is a example. I was like what kind of order is that.

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"• Reasonable Orders - An order that is straightforward, clear, to the point, easy to understand, not meant to confuse or trick, and gives the prisoners enough time to follow."

 

Admins are welcome to enforce this definition. You can call an admin if someone's purposefully trying to trick Ts by giving long-winded, unnecessarily complex orders.

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