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Hello everyone,

 

As we all know, society becomes more / less tolerant on certain things as times change. In this particular instance, I'm talking about homophobic slurs...e.g. 'faggot', 'fag', etc. I think we've all been seeing this coming for a long time, but we are officially banning use of the word 'faggot' (along with any variation of this) on every SG platform. This is a specific ban on that word, and nothing more. If caught using it, it will be treated like any other word on the banned list, however we are obviously going to be a bit understanding for a period of time while everyone integrates with the new rule.

 

Additionally, to clarify a policy where we may have allowed certain words in private channels (whether locked or unlocked), on the servers, etc...I am going to say this to clarify our stance: Banned words are banned throughout all of SG, whether in a private channel, public channel, locked, unlocked, in the CSGO servers, etc. Unless otherwise specifically mentioned after this thread, there is no exception or clause to that. A banned word is banned everywhere on SG.

 

 

If there are any questions, please let us know. I'm sure there are more words that people want to see added, which is fine, and you can bring them up the chain. We're taking it a bit slow and making sure that every decision we make is in the best interest of the community and its players. 

 

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ban the word "retard" since ****** is now banned i believe this word should be reasonably banned as well. 

 

People can use dumbass(no problems much more tame) but retard almost always led to a correlation to toxicity or fights.  In short,  it's basically "fight words". I see it as a word used call someone slow or mental retardation since it was(still is) used against special needs individuals, while i see calling someone a 'dumbass' someone who made a dumb/stupid action. The word "retard" is alr banned on various website/communites, how about SG as well?

 

Banning the word will hopefully lessen the toxicity on forums and servers

 

If you believe otherwise please explain why.

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26 minutes ago, Starlegendgod said:

ban the word "retard" since ****** is now banned i believe this word should be reasonably banned as well. 

 

People can use dumbass(no problems much more tame) but retard almost always led to a correlation to toxicity or fights.  In short,  it's basically "fight words". I see it as a word used call someone slow or mental retardation since it was(still is) used against special needs individuals, while i see calling someone a 'dumbass' someone who a dumb/stupid action. The word "retard" is alr banned on various website/communites, how about SG as well.

 

Banning the word will hopefully lessen the toxicity on forums and servers

 

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1 hour ago, Starlegendgod said:

ban the word "retard" since ****** is now banned i believe this word should be reasonably banned as well. 

 

People can use dumbass(no problems much more tame) but retard almost always led to a correlation to toxicity or fights.  In short,  it's basically "fight words". I see it as a word used call someone slow or mental retardation since it was(still is) used against special needs individuals, while i see calling someone a 'dumbass' someone who a dumb/stupid action. The word "retard" is alr banned on various website/communites, how about SG as well.

 

Banning the word will hopefully lessen the toxicity on forums and servers

 

Alright we're getting too ahead of our selves now. "Faggot" is historically a slur used against gay people, retard on the other hand is not, if I remember correctly it was an actual medical term.

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5 minutes ago, 20 scrolls said:

Alright we're getting too ahead of our selves now. "Faggot" is historically a slur used against gay people, retard on the other hand is not, if I remember correctly it was an actual medical term.

Pretty sure the term retard is not a medical term. It’s used to describe someone with mental disabilities. Though now a days it’s seen as an offensive word towards individuals with a mental disability, most commonly those with Down syndrome.

 

I know I personally don’t use either word, as a bunch of my family members are gay and/or worked as DSP’s helping those with mental disabilities.

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2 minutes ago, Clamor said:

Pretty sure the term retard is not a medical term. It’s used to describe someone with mental disabilities. Though now a days it’s seen as an offensive word towards individuals with a mental disability, most commonly those with Down syndrome.

 

I know I personally don’t use either word, as a bunch of my family members are gay and/or worked as DSP’s helping those with mental disabilities.

Sorry, mental retardation was what I was looking for

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1 hour ago, Starlegendgod said:

ban the word "retard" since ****** is now banned i believe this word should be reasonably banned as well. 

 

People can use dumbass(no problems much more tame) but retard almost always led to a correlation to toxicity or fights.  In short,  it's basically "fight words". I see it as a word used call someone slow or mental retardation since it was(still is) used against special needs individuals, while i see calling someone a 'dumbass' someone who a dumb/stupid action. The word "retard" is alr banned on various website/communites, how about SG as well.

 

Banning the word will hopefully lessen the toxicity on forums and servers

 

What are you "Retarded"?

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Had to post this to meme lol. This and few other similar changes as mentioned could make sg more friendly and maybe marketable if that is the goal. Banning words vs. Harassment itself and dealing with people skirting or just being fucking psychopaths reporting one another for every little thing is probably the most annoying thing about or behind these rules. Personally I have never really cared about the word, I know that a lot of people definitely wouldn't appreciate being called it and would probably expect there to be a rule against it. Can't just pretend like those people do not exist. People don't like change, I was against Discord when it was proposed and now it's a huge platform that would be dumb not to have. This will likely be fine, albeit being potentially annoying as the word list gets longer and people create more paper to push.

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10 minutes ago, 20 scrolls said:

Alright we're getting too ahead of our selves now. "Faggot" is historically a slur used against gay people, retard on the other hand is not, if I remember correctly it was an actual medical term.

Is the origin/intended use of the word really what's important here? Or is it instead how the majority of society views the words usage? It seems to be the latter in most cases because people simply do not care about the history of the word, they care about how it makes them or others feel when used in certain ways. A words meaning adjusts with the times and groups of people consider that above whatever it meant in 1950. 

 

1 minute ago, Clamor said:

Pretty sure the term retard is not a medical term. It’s used to describe someone with mental disabilities. Though now a days it’s seen as an offensive word towards individuals with a mental disability, most commonly those with Down syndrome.

 

I know I personally don’t use either word, as a bunch of my family members are gay and/or worked as DSP’s helping those with mental disabilities.

Mental retardation was a medical term coined in the 1950s however its use was actually replaced in Rosas Law. "Rosa's Law is a United States law which replaced several instances of "mental retardation" in law with "intellectual disability". It passed the Senate unanimously on August 5, 2010, then the House of Representatives on September 22, and was signed into law by President Barack Obama on October 5."

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1 hour ago, 20 scrolls said:

Alright we're getting too ahead of our selves now. "Faggot" is historically a slur used against gay people, retard on the other hand is not, if I remember correctly it was an actual medical term.

Give a proper reason 

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Just now, Starlegendgod said:

Give a proper reason 

A proper reason for what? I don't have to give you shit. Retard is not deemed as bad as words like the one we just banned, and if you wanna ban retard, you might as well ban any word that could potentially offend someone. 

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15 minutes ago, Starlegendgod said:

Give a proper reason 

As social change has progressed rapidly within the last few years, the f-slur has fallen into the list of big-red flag words that could really tear down someone's career or business if it was discovered that they used it, especially more recently. The f-slur, alongside with the already banned words have socially become more or less fully unacceptable to use causally, especially in terms of trying to find partnerships. Us banning this word not only allows us to be more welcoming to those who may be offended by this word, but also opens up the door for more marketing opportunities down the line such as Discord (pls) and potentially other communities. 

 

At least in my opinion, retard has not really fallen into the realm of big no-no words (yet) as many people still say it casually and without much repercussion. A lot of people I know and a lot of instances I have seen people still using "retard" and "retarded" in common conversation without much issue or problem from other people. If the day comes where this word becomes a big no-no then it is what it is, but I don't see that day coming soon.

 

I know banning word and not word can create confusion, but hopefully my take can provide more insight. 

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5 minutes ago, Phoenix_ said:

As social change has progressed rapidly within the last few years, the f-slur has fallen into the list of big-red flag words that could really tear down someone's career or business if it was discovered that they used it, especially more recently. The f-slur, alongside with the already banned words have socially become more or less fully unacceptable to use causally, especially in terms of trying to find partnerships. Us banning this word not only allows us to be more welcoming to those who may be offended by this word, but also opens up the door for more marketing opportunities down the line such as Discord (pls) and potentially other communities. 

 

At least in my opinion, retard has not really fallen into the realm of big no-no words (yet) as many people still say it casually and without much repercussion. A lot of people I know and a lot of instances I have seen people still using "retard" and "retarded" in common conversation without much issue or problem from other people. If the day comes where this word becomes a big no-no then it is what it is, but I don't see that day coming soon.

 

I know banning word and not word can create confusion, but hopefully my take can provide more insight. 

Thank you

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45 minutes ago, 20 scrolls said:

A proper reason for what? I don't have to give you shit. Retard is not deemed as bad as words like the one we just banned, and if you wanna ban retard, you might as well ban any word that could potentially offend someone. 

Look i think we got on the wrong foot here. I wanted insight to what you meant so I understand and improve on my suggestions in the future. I understand "proper" can come off of being entitled, pissy, or disregarding your preivous statement and i apologize for the usage of language(especially to a higher-up with more time and recognition here than me). I want help the community out the best of my abilities without giving shitty regurgitated suggestions.  

 

Im not trying to put you under the bus or play "oh poor me" type bullshit but both understand our both perspectives to come up with better ideas as the thread suggest. 

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I'm not a huge fan of banning words all together, but with slurs I think they're a valid exception.

 

That being said, cherry picking specific slurs is where I take issue. Either all of them should be okay (in context, not to harass another player), or none of them should be okay. If hard R n word is banned, then why not chink, gook, dyke, beaner, towelhead, cracker, gypsy, zipperhead, etc?

 

This brings me back to this video, where I think iDubbbz perfectly breaks down how ridiculous it is to hold some slurs at higher levels of power than others, despite them all sharing similar histories of being used to put a group of people down.

 

 

Maybe it's hypocritical for someone like me to hold a stance like this, but I'm really not sure if banning specific words is the ideal approach. It's already been brought up by multiple people in this thread, but "retard" has really started to skate on thin ice recently and some put it on the same pedestal as the words mentioned above, and I don't know if that's fair.

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5 hours ago, delirium said:

Let the "I thought we were better friends than that" games begin. Can't wait to see who snitches on who when they get upset.

people bouta find out they not as good of friends as they thought XD

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18 hours ago, Caution said:

Hello everyone,

 

As we all know, society becomes more / less tolerant on certain things as times change. In this particular instance, I'm talking about homophobic slurs...e.g. 'faggot', 'fag', etc. I think we've all been seeing this coming for a long time, but we are officially banning use of the word 'faggot' (along with any variation of this) on every SG platform. This is a specific ban on that word, and nothing more. If caught using it, it will be treated like any other word on the banned list, however we are obviously going to be a bit understanding for a period of time while everyone integrates with the new rule.

I don't think banning a specific word is the right way to go about this. There are other words that are viewed to be the same level of disrespect with very similar meaning, eg. "dyke, homo, etc"(a quick google search can find you these). You may be banning these words through your "(along with any variation of this)", however that is not explicitly stated and therefore there is argument against their being banned words. My problem here is not that offensive words are being banned, but the fact that a specific word is being cherry picked to be banned because it is used more commonly than other words. If you're taking a stance against this type of language you should be banning every word that has similar meaning. 

 

The biggest problem I have with the ban on this word is that SG allows the use of racial slurs on its platforms(and btw, I see no rule against using these slurs under the forum rules). Unless it got changed recently without me knowing, SG has been taking of the stance of allowing potentially offensive words to be used, but judging punishment based upon the context of the conversation in which it is being used. Friendly banter is very different than targeted harassment, as I expect everyone to know by now. These types of words should fall under the same ruling as racial slurs do, in that we can ban them in text form on the forums and discord and wherever, but allow the use in voice conversation and the servers, with punishment relying on the context of the conversation.

 

One last thing with this paragraph, you mention this word will be treated like any other word on the banned list. I can not find the banned list anywhere, if someone would kindly direct me to where that is, that would be helpful. To my knowledge it was actually removed a year ago via the post quoted below.

  

On 9/22/2020 at 11:46 AM, Caution said:

We have also done away with the 'Bannable Words' list. We all know what should and should not be on that list, so there isn't a need for us to publicly display that. 

However, you state that banned words list is still active, and with this word being hard banned on all platforms, its probably best to have a public display of banned words to this degree.

 

  

 

18 hours ago, Caution said:

Additionally, to clarify a policy where we may have allowed certain words in private channels (whether locked or unlocked), on the servers, etc...I am going to say this to clarify our stance: Banned words are banned throughout all of SG, whether in a private channel, public channel, locked, unlocked, in the CSGO servers, etc. Unless otherwise specifically mentioned after this thread, there is no exception or clause to that. A banned word is banned everywhere on SG.

Just want to actually thank you and the board for finally clarifying this on a public level. I have explained it in the past to people who have argued "If the channel is locked, I can say whatever I want and its not against the rules". Its good to have a place I can point them to for the official stance on that ruling.

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