Wiping Everyone's Times

[Noxstar]

So it's been on my mind that a lot of players on the bhop server do not play because "no anti-cheat" or "too many cheated times" and it makes me think that wiping times could be our last ditch effort. I made this thread as thoughts on the idea of doing so after we banned Null/Turn binds & placed an anti-cheat to help aid us. It is basically impossible to filter and go through and pick out every cheated times at this point.

Some pros that came up:

• Guaranteed no nulled, cheated, or exploited times
• Everything is refreshed & on the same playing field again
• Rankings should be adjusted for the benefit of legitimate players

 

Some cons that came up:

• Feels like a huge slap on the face after playing for so long
• Everyone is refreshed & loses their times
• Rankings that a lot of people worked very hard to climb are gone
• Could be discouraging for players to keep playing again
• Must get new WR's and most of them will be terrible at the beginning so it will be hard for "good" players to route using it

 

I'm going to <@> anyone I know that plays bunny hop for their opinion. Of course if you were in the discord discussion, feel free to add or ignore.
@Creten @Reid99 @urpalerp @Bowgun44 @Arctic @Sully @Bishop @.x. Saturn and Dredd if you use forums @PotatoAlienOf13 @kuri @iiYuno@Trazz
Sorry if I did not mention you, I listed the ones off the top of my head.

[Sully]

No matter what you do in this situation it'll end up with someone being upset. Obviously if you wipe the server all legit times will be gone, but if you don't all the cheated and or null/ab times will stay. I particularly played on bhop a lot so I could get my 50% completion award. I'm not sure with the new forums there are any awards but we'll see. I'm assuming that if you wipe the server everyone's completion % will also drop to 0 as well. It's a little disheartening and like you said, a slap on the face but I wouldn't mind seeing a fresh bhop server. I would like to see some kind of meeting for this as it would be a lot easier to communicate thoughts but that's up to you guys. 

[Noxstar]

34 minutes ago, Sully said:

I particularly played on bhop a lot so I could get my 50% completion award. I'm not sure with the new forums there are any awards but we'll see.

Before new forums dropped, this was talked about a long long time ago and I established with higher ups that we would switch ours from completion to play time.

 

34 minutes ago, Sully said:

It's a little disheartening and like you said, a slap on the face but I wouldn't mind seeing a fresh bhop server. I would like to see some kind of meeting for this as it would be a lot easier to communicate thoughts but that's up to you guys. 

Definitely. if this is the route that will be taken which is what it could be looking like, I will have some special things ready for it however some sort of meeting is something I'll get around to do.

[kuri]

I believe a fresh start wouldn’t be that devastating, as sully said someone’s gonna end up upset about everything you can’t make everyone happy. Wiping times would be the best course of action if you want to get rid of all cheated times. With these precautions I’m sure the good players will have a better time knowing most of the wrs aren’t cheated and are possible with the right routing. I play bhop to improve my strafing and my sync when trying to improve I watch replays of the wrs time and when they’re cheated it’s a slap in the face when you realize you can’t even beat that record with using external assistance.
 

 

 

 

[urpalerp]

imma be that upset person, i put in those 25 days on the server for the most completion. everything does come to an end at some point tho, i was arguing that it’s a slap across the face and most ppl might wanna not try again to gain a ton of completion, but at the same time it does provide a fresh start which might encourage new players. there are definitely great points for both sides of the argument and i think the final way to look at it is that if u keep em, ur satisfying a small portion of ppl, while if u were to delete them, u might open doors for a wider range or players. if u do go thru with it tho, rip to my percentage 

 

edit: but if u do wipe everyone’s time and it doesn’t end up openin doors for new players, we all jus got finessed 

[Bondairy]

I know Forum Awards are disabled for the time being but will we have to work for them again if they do come back?

[TheZZL]

2 hours ago, The Don said:

I know Forum Awards are disabled for the time being but will we have to work for them again if they do come back?

If they do become playtime based, like Noxstar mentioned, you won't have to. It would be a slap in the face if it's % and the times are wiped.

[Bowgun44]

My 100% honest opinion. After a long time bhopping on the server, so long as I get some new [or old >;(  ] high tier maps to run late at night, I really don't care if the times get wiped. I just hit 500 records on the server yesterday anyways; I can get them again regardless . Only reason I really bhop at this point is to do the high t5's and t6 maps. Unpopular opinion or not, that's my two cents.

[luukee]

Just thought I should mention my thoughts about this, although I understand why it is necessary.

 

I don't however understand why nulls should be banned too, I've been using nulls for a while and don't consider them cheating the same way turn binds or auto-strafing should be. It does seem to give a (slight) advantage with sync but its so slight that I don't see a problem with allowing people to use it, its not like it strafes for you like other scripts, it literally just affects a or d. Every one has the ability to type some simple commands in their console to use nulls, so how is that not the "same playing field"?

 

I started using nulls on SG nearly a year ago, when a SG admin was saying something about them in the bhop server. I asked about them, and he told me what nulls were and said they were completely allowed, and I've been using nulls ever since. The main reasons I chose to play on SG over other servers was 1) the map selection and 2) the fact that nulls were allowed. I completely understand if you are going to ban nulls, as many other servers do, however I would ask you to consider the fact that this may be detrimental to your player count if any other of the regular players use nulls like I do. Or maybe I am just a dirty cheater and there is no one like me, who knows... 

 

As for the times being wiped, sure it sucks but nearly every big server has to wipe times every now and then, its not a huge deal.

 

I fully support whatever decision the staff come to regarding this, but I will say that I am going to keep using nulls. If nulls being banned is a permanent change for this server then I will just find a different server that allows it. 

 

[Sully]

47 minutes ago, luukee said:

I started using nulls on SG nearly a year ago, when a SG admin was saying something about them in the bhop server. I asked about them, and he told me what nulls were and said they were completely allowed, and I've been using nulls ever since. The main reasons I chose to play on SG over other servers was 1) the map selection and 2) the fact that nulls were allowed. I completely understand if you are going to ban nulls, as many other servers do, however I would ask you to consider the fact that this may be detrimental to your player count if any other of the regular players use nulls like I do. Or maybe I am just a dirty cheater and there is no one like me, who knows... 

Why do you think other servers have banned nulls? They want a level playing field for ALL players. Sure, nulls are obviously no where near as strong as tb's/autostrafing but it still gives an advantage, it might be slight but it's still an advantage. As for the player count, it's expected. I'm sure any other server that decided null's were a no no knew the same "risks" as well. But hey, if almost all servers have nulls banned what's the point of switching?