Gun debate

[Red]

My basic point is this: Regardless of you psychological analysis of the American masses, as you said banning guns is not possible nor will it ever happen.

 

As such I want to carry a firearm period, that's it. Maybe I'll buy a nice Swiss firearm like the Sig p229.

 

And we're going in circles now.

[Slavic]

Well you're all avoiding the core issue there, which is WHY he did it. The Columbine kids and this guy were obvious social outcasts, but does being socially inept lead one to carry out mass murder? For being different these people were persecuted by other people to an extent that drove them right off the edge. Instead of applying a scapegoat ideology to the gunmen of these schools, do the harder thing and try to realize what malfunction within the social pecking order causes such hatred to develop and cause severe damage. The guy often spoke about committing the deed far prior to its actual occurrence, but simply because he was deemed an unimportant loser, he wasn't taken seriously.

 

The guns are simply an easily obtainable weapon that have little to do with the actual motive, however, had the laws been stricter and Cho hadn't obtained guns so easily, I highly doubt he would have gone on his little rampage. More guns means a higher percentage of shootings, period. If another student had a gun, and shot Cho, its still murder.

 

Applying the "fight fire with fire" analogy to gun control is not only counter-productive toward creating a safer environment, its just plain irrational, unless of course, propagating violence and mass paranoia is the goal intended. Looser gun laws also means more people capable of murder, like Cho, will have an easier path to bloodshed.

 

A person without a gun is not likely to shoot anyone else, so I'm missing the logic by increasing the attainability thereof. The best and only solution would simply be to develop stricter gun laws with much harsher enforcement, and slowly remove them from circulating withing the country, stop all manufacturing of them, and ban any and all domestic ownership/usage.

 

Unfortunately, that will never happen, the paranoid consumerist driven society of the USA and elsewhere are addicted to guns, to the point that there is no real solution for it anymore, removing the firearms industry would be impossible, much less the psychological dependency a regrettable majority of people have developed. So yes, let everyone own a firearm, and maybe the problem with take care of itself. Just remember how peaceful the lawless pioneering west USA was in its early days of growth, and with the advance in weapons technology we have now, I'm willing to wager the environment would surpass even the pacifistic serenity of former periods when everyone was entitled to carry a firearm.

 

I'll have what she is having.

 

I completely agree with you there Oak. And what is of this "Mutual Destruction" you are talking about. Are you mad, you'd rather have everyone strapped and guns a blazing. Think of all the normal, run-of-the-mill fights that go on in every school, social gathering, w/e. Now give these people guns, and I guarantee you you'd see a lot more bodies dropping.

 

"Hey lets give Iran nuclear warhead technology; you know, what the hell screw it, lets give the whole world nukes. That way we'd all be safer because of the Mutual Destruction theory applied."

 

Do you rely want to live in a world were everyone is armed?

[Red]

I'll have what she is having.

 

I completely agree with you there Oak. And what is of this "Mutual Destruction" you are talking about. Are you mad, you'd rather have everyone strapped and guns a blazing. Think of all the normal, run-of-the-mill fights that go on in every school, social gathering, w/e. Now give these people guns, and I guarantee you you'd see a lot more bodies dropping.

 

"Hey lets give Iran nuclear warhead technology; you know, what the hell screw it, lets give the whole world nukes. That way we'd all be safer because of the Mutual Destruction theory applied."

 

Do you rely want to live in a world were everyone is armed?

 

 

Wow, we're talking about firearms in the USA. Not Nukes for the whole world, drawing such comparisons is just retarded and infantile. I said not EVERYBODY has to carry a weapon nor do they. As it is, most people can if they want to.

[Slavic]

Wow, we're talking about firearms in the USA. Not Nukes for the whole world, drawing such comparisons is just retarded and infantile. I said not EVERYBODY has to carry a weapon nor do they. As it is, most people can if they want to.

 

I was just making a comparison to the political realism thought that you seem to be employing. We are making if-then statements, of course not everyone is going to have guns. Why even debate if we can't come up with other ways to look at the currently reality.

 

But honestly gun control/gun related deaths/guns in general, don't really bother me. If these things are happening right now, then they are correct. For if they are incorrect, then the now is incorrect, and that leads to meta-physical flaws which is impossible. Guns will always be because they already are. If gun policy is meant to change, then it will change. There always has to be a balance.

 

May the Tao flow through you

[Oak]

Thanks for unlocking this, I was just highly entranced with the flow of ideas coming through from the myriad of people, many from different cultures and experiences than I know personally.

 

My goal wasn't to try to argue with anyone, but to compare and exchange ideas without discrediting or insulting anyone else (although I did). If I unintentionally insulted anyone, I am deeply sorry (unless it was intentional).

 

I've seen far more intricate and well thought out theories and solutions here, and to be honest, a higher level of intelligence than I thought possible on a forum for a Zombie Mod CS server. Go figure.

 

I think I've contributed all I can to this without repeating myself, so I'll just sit this one out and read the new posts (unless of course, something jumps out at me).

 

Thanks to everyone who entered the topic, and especially to Red, who was kind enough to move this off topic discussion from an inappropriate place to a real thread, and eventually unlock it so ideas could continue to be shared.

[Red]

Someone else moved it before I did. But yeah, I've said all I can say without turning towards the powers of flame.

[Haggard]

You two should have a old western shootout at high noon. You both can buy guns for the duel since they are as easy to buy as bubble gum. Then after one of you is dead yell out real loud "Guns dont kill people, I do." Ofcourse you cant shoot someone without a gun so maybe the gun had something to do with his death, who knows. What a great topic.

 

Interesting find

"American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)"

[Red]

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