Lightyear: Ain't no son of mine seeing two girls kiss

[TheZZL]

3 hours ago, Gentoo said:

The traditionalist perspective is literally just "this worked for me and my parents and my parents parents to have a healthy and meaningful life - why not do it or introduce it to my kids instead of letting them be raised by a world full of so many people that seem lost, confused, and hurt?"

 

https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/December-2016/The-Mental-Health-Benefits-of-Religion-Spiritual#:~:text=Religion gives people something to,rates%2C alcoholism and drug use.

 

Seems to be widely proven that it does help people with accomplishing that goal, maybe you need to be a bit bigoted to be mentally healthy or maybe it's just an unfortunate side effect or dogmatism (it is), either way, seems like a worthwhile trade of for people.

If you'd like to live in a backwards traditionalist society and stay in the past while the rest of the human race advances, by all means do, but don't slow down the rest of our societal and social progress with your crap. If you're fine with your children seeing heterosexual couples kiss and be intimate, but are deeply offended, dissatisfied, or even uncomfortable by a one second peck between a homosexual couple, you are a bad parent and an even worse person. Yes, it's personal belief, but it's a personal belief rooted in hatred and unwillingness to want all people to live comfortably in their own, real, identities. 

 

Also fun fact, the link you threw down (from 2016) in your post to uphold the fact that there are mental health benefits of religion majorly cites "research" (from 2013) that has been retracted by the National Institutes of Health due to plagiarism. If only you read past the abstract that fed your confirmation bias: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6366288/

 

 

If you require religion to uplift your mental health and are willing to barter being bigoted towards others to be mentally healthy yourself (your words), we are doing something collectively (more-so certain groups of people, but I'll use the word collectively for now) wrong as a society- maybe it has something to do with all that bigotry? Nah, it's got to be all those gay people!!!!

[Gentoo]

1 hour ago, BoM said:

Oh man...you've gone off the deep end. So basically you're arguing the issue is that they get together and raise children in a two-mom or two-dad setting? Please tell me how I'm being close minded for thinking that it's okay for people to raise kids together no matter their sexual orientation. I'm sorry I really don't see how its like Piece A (have lesbian partner) is being put so far apart from Piece B (wanting to raise a child with your partner)...do we not tend to piece those two things together in life?

I'm not implying you're close minded for believing that, but for believing that it's completely hateful or bigoted for someone to believe the contrary. Firstly, the religious perspective is literally that "God said this, it's been believed and practiced for thousands of years" you don't have to hate anyone or find them disgusting to believe that something is wrong because "God said so". Not the same as saying it shouldn't be allowed, just that they don't want to show it to their children. Secondly, it's not immediately obvious to everyone that two people fundamentally incapable of creating children are equipped or should have the right to raise children. In the same way, it's not immediately obvious to the state that young adults should be able to raise older children or that single males should be able to raise children at all.

 

1 hour ago, BoM said:

So they can fuck they just can't raise kids? What? Also if it's not fear, disgust, or hate then what motivates it? An unreasonable attachment to a belief perhaps?

Assuming they believe and practice the belief, they can't do that either. What motivates it is that they believe that "God said so", simple as. Apparently "God also said to love thy neighbor and not hate sinners" which seems pretty contrary to hate.

 

12 minutes ago, TheZZL said:

If you'd like to live in a backwards traditionalist society and stay in the past while the rest of the human race advances, by all means do, but don't slow down the rest of our societal and social progress with your crap. If you're fine with your children seeing heterosexual couples kiss and be intimate, but are deeply offended, dissatisfied, or even uncomfortable by a one second peck between a homosexual couple, you are a bad parent and an even worse person. Yes, it's personal belief, but it's a personal belief rooted in hatred and unwillingness to want all people to live comfortably in their own, real, identities. 

 

Also fun fact, the link you threw down (from 2016) in your post to uphold the fact that there are mental health benefits of religion majorly cites "research" (from 2013) that has been retracted by the National Institutes of Health due to plagiarism. If only you read past the abstract that fed your confirmation bias: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6366288/

 

 

If you require religion to uplift your mental health and are willing to barter being bigoted towards others to be mentally healthy yourself (your words), we are doing something collectively (more-so certain groups of people, but I'll use the word collectively for now) wrong as a society- maybe it has something to do with all that bigotry? Nah, it's got to be all those gay people!!!!

Go do something else. You're completely incapable of fathoming that people are capable of thinking that something is wrong for religious or other rationalized reasons without hating those that participate in it. You're never going to convince anyone of anything with that rhetoric and stereotyping.

 

Go progress society all you want, fwiw I'd take the 1500s over the 2000s any day. I'll take dying of tuberculosis at 30 if it means I can live a meaningful life free of Schumpeter's socialism and inevitable nihilism any day.

[Phoenix_]

Listen man all I'm saying is people shouldn't piss their pants over two grown adult women smooching in an animated movie. They aren't pushing an agenda. It was not sexual, it was a fucking greeting. If these people want to hide their children and keep their minds closed to the reality of the real world, that's their problem. The specific argument of the movie being bad because of a .5 second moment where two women kiss is inherently homophobic. People unable to accept that this should be viewed as a completely normal part of life, much like a man and a woman kissing in the SAME SCENARIO are simply disillusioned and are lying with themselves to cope that the world is becoming more accepting of non-traditional relationships. 

 

 

[Phoenix_]

2 minutes ago, Gentoo said:

Go progress society all you want, fwiw I'd take the 1500s over the 2000s any day. I'll take dying of tuberculosis at 30 if it means I can live a meaningful life free of Schumpeter's socialism and inevitable nihilism any day.

Fwiw, this one sentence proves how much of a fucking idiot you are. 

[BoM]

7 minutes ago, Gentoo said:

I'm not implying you're close minded for believing that, but for believing that it's completely hateful or bigoted for someone to believe the contrary. Firstly, the religious perspective is literally that "God said this, it's been believed and practiced for thousands of years" you don't have to hate anyone or find them disgusting to believe that something is wrong because "God said so".

Well I'm not gonna argue this. It's dumb as fuck to still think like this, but if this is what drives people then sure.

 

7 minutes ago, Gentoo said:

Not the same as saying it shouldn't be allowed, just that they don't want to show it to their children. Secondly, it's not immediately obvious to everyone that two people fundamentally incapable of creating children are equipped or should have the right to raise children. In the same way, it's not immediately obvious to the state that young adults should be able to raise older children or that single males should be able to raise children at all.

To most people this is obvious...which is that anyone can raise a child if they have the will and capacity to do so. Lets not pretend the 1 male 1 female raising children resulted in less problems in the home compared to two same sex people or just one parent.

 

7 minutes ago, Gentoo said:

Assuming they believe and practice the belief, they can't do that either. What motivates it is that they believe that "God said so", simple as. Apparently "God also said to love thy neighbor and not hate sinners" which seems pretty contrary to hate.

Yes yes, we don't hate we just listen to the glowy bearded man in the book.

 

7 minutes ago, Gentoo said:

Go progress society all you want, fwiw I'd take the 1500s over the 2000s any day. I'll take dying of tuberculosis at 30 if it means I can live a meaningful life free of Schumpeter's socialism and inevitable nihilism any day.

Legitimate question: are you suffering from this socialism and nihilism? is your life lacking meaning? are you saying this is what you see others dealing with? Genuine curiosity beyond calling you a shitty person...because me as someone who genuinely disregards a lot of religious sentiments (if not entire religions) I do not struggle to find meaning to my life and the life of those around me.

[20 scrolls]

Atleast we all agree those complaining are homophobic right?

[jazzy]

2 minutes ago, 20 scrolls said:

Atleast we all agree those complaining are homophobic right?

Nah bro it's their right to shelter their kids from gays kissing obv

[BoM]

15 minutes ago, 20 scrolls said:

Atleast we all agree those complaining are homophobic right?

@Gentoo?

[Gentoo]

41 minutes ago, BoM said:

Well I'm not gonna argue this. It's dumb as fuck to still think like this, but if this is what drives people then sure.

I'm glad you have the answers to where the universe came from. Maybe some day you can write a book about it and the rest of us can catch up!

42 minutes ago, BoM said:

To most people this is obvious...which is that anyone can raise a child if they have the will and capacity to do so. Lets not pretend the 1 male 1 female raising children resulted in less problems in the home compared to two same sex people or just one parent.

Let's what what? Kids raised by single parents are worse off than those raised by those with two virtually unilaterally so I'm not sure where you're coming from. I don't think either of us are qualified to determine whether same sex parents are better or worse at parenting than a traditional family, I don't think anyone would have the nuts or be dumb enough to fund that sort of research either. To insinuate that there are not large personality and temperamental differences between men and women that could lead to different outcomes in these types of couples raising kids is ridiculous. 

 

50 minutes ago, BoM said:

Legitimate question: are you suffering from this socialism and nihilism? is your life lacking meaning? are you saying this is what you see others dealing with? Genuine curiosity beyond calling you a shitty person...because me as someone who genuinely disregards a lot of religious sentiments (if not entire religions) I do not struggle to find meaning to my life and the life of those around me.

I wouldn't assume otherwise for someone with a reasonable amount of expendable income, who was able to go to school and pursue something they're passionate about, and who's life I assume to be free of monumental tragedy at the moment. Unfortunately, not everyone is so fortunate.

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